Did Ali actually land the famous knockout punch on Liston? Reactions: Mokey, Paintman and Debi. “It’s the Black Muslims. … To Liston’s family and friends, it’s called the Nightmare in Lewiston. It’s got a twist to it. Whether the punch was a jab, a hook, or twisted fest, it was not strong enough to drive Liston unconscious. Around the western world (this was the first heavyweight title fight broadcast live to Europe), fans were outraged. Things were getting worse for the ex-champ, but the worst was yet to come. When boxers land a crushing blow, they know it. Yet scrutiny of the fight film still makes it difficult to see the actual punch which did the damage. How was she even in the dressing room if she was kidnapped? Have you ever been in the ring buddy? The culminating wallop that turned the trick for Clay was much similar to that which ended the bout with Liston in Maine, a blow which many spectators didn’t observe and referred to as “the phantom punch.” Those who sat around the ring can testify that it was truly delivered and did land where it did most for the winner. A Phantom Punch in Kronos occurs when an employee forgets to punch out for job one and on the same day . In a sport known for its chaos and corruption, not much has ever topped the heavyweight champsionship fight between Charles “Sonny” Liston and Muhammad Ali in Lewiston, Maine, on May 25, 1965. Not for himself, but for his family. History should watch the WHOLE fight not that same damn clip over and over .Walcott was the worst ref on earth why for one did he lose such control of the fight Ali by all rights should have been DQ he refused to go to a neutral corner and instead ran around the ring like a kid with ADD making stupid faces another Liston did get up and the fight was resumed until Nat Fleischer yelled it was over 10 seconds and Walcott then decides to stop the fight c’mon .Boxing history forces us to intrepid the same B.S. About half an hour after the fight, sitting on a training table and dressed in blue jeans, a gray sweat shirt and heavy … It has become known as the "phantom punch", with claims that Liston took a dive. People have long since forgotten that Liston was still the betting favorite. Just one minute and 44 seconds into the heavyweight championship fight between the two, Ali dodged a Liston jab and then threw a straight right that connected with his opponent's jaw. Sonny, like most of us, was happier dishing it out than taking it. The second fight between two iconic heavyweights again ended in controversy, as Ali leveled Liston with what has become known as the ‘Phantom Punch.’ Ali countered with a short right hand to Sonny’s left cheekbone that traveled no more than six inches. It might not have looked as bad as the “Phantom Punch” but the Marciano-Walcott II looks suspicious. Liston was not a bully who could dish out punishment and not receive it like MikeTyson total B.S. 2. Two Muslims visited Sonny and threatened to kill him if he didn’t lose the bout. Sonny Liston was set to try and win back his heavyweight championship title from Muhammad Ali, and the atmosphere was electric. Phantom Punch is a 2008 film directed by Robert Townsend.The film is a biopic of Sonny Liston, with Ving Rhames in the lead role. Once again the blonde man was in a martial arts hall with wooden floors and such. Nothing at all bad to say about Marciano, on the contrary, the power of his punches from the first fight were still living in Walcott’s head rent free, and Walcott probably pulled a “No Mas.”, If Walcott took a dive in the second Marciano fight, he sure ate a helluva right hand to do so. Even if they had, Sonny wouldn’t have told them the truth. Add your article. Ali had publicly converted to Islam and been called "a champion of racial segregation" by Martin Luther King, Jr, according to the LA Sentinel. “We’re both villains,” Ali said. Ideology had nothing to do with people’s opinions of him. Things were getting worse for the ex-champ, but the worst was yet to come…. Who did Ali Say he learned to Punch From? A number of theories surfaced as to why Liston may have thrown the fight. “Don’t you know why you haven’t seen her, Marilyn?” said Joe’s wife. Until now, the reason why Liston threw that fight has been boxing’s greatest unsolved mystery. the 2 'It was lightning and thunder - fast as lightning and booming as thunder from the heavens,' Ali said after the fight. Clay needed just two fights to dismantle Liston’s legacy. Until we believe I want my questions answered first. This explains Ali called the blow that led to Liston's defeat a 'phantom punch.' Because of the important victory that the punch gave Ali and the mystery it continues to spark today, the Phantom Punch is one of the most iconic punches of all time. The mob would have done it to win money on the fight; the Muslims would have done it to make sure Ali could not possibly lose his title. I recall many journalists stating in days after the May 1965 fight that no movies existed. SemperBlotto 16:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC) "The Ali-Liston rematch became known as "the phantom punch fight". He did a lousy job as ref. Or, as sportswriter Larry Merchant stated in a letter to the New Yorker in 2015, Liston took a hit to the medulla oblongata from Muhammad Ali and got knocked unconscious. The famous phantom punch. At that moment, everyone in boxing knew that the indestructible Sonny Liston had taken a dive. He wouldn’t even tell his family the truth. My opinion was Oswald was hired but he was definitely the shooter. The backdrop for the fight was the stuff of which movies are made. And Liston’s son NEVER mentions it either. If Walcott could’ve gotten up, he would’ve taken a brutal beating. Ali definitely threw a right hander. They called it the phantom punch: a mystery jab that brought down the Big Bear. I think Sonny took the dive….I don’t know why. Staff. Via the Bates Student, November 2. SemperBlotto 16:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC) "The Ali-Liston rematch became known as "the phantom punch fight". The first four episodes of the series were edited into a feature-length film and released on VHS in 1994 and 1996 (and later on DVD in 2004), called Phantom 2040: The Ghost Who Walks. They have her and the boy. Couple this with the threats that Ali would be shot (and off course Sonny had to be thinking Ali is always moving what if they miss and hit him). The film also stars Stacey Dash, Nicholas Turturro, Alan van Sprang, David Proval, and Bridgette Wilson. The truth was that both fighters feared for their lives. To Liston’s family and friends, it’s called the Nightmare in Lewiston. Forty-nine years ago in Lewiston, Maine, Liston found himself in the middle of a dangerous situation over which he had absolutely no control. Liston took a dive, that is all, he said eff this, I’m taking my money and go him without working up much of a sweat or taking punches from this young kid. Debate raged about the punch that ended matters. Security was amped up due to reported death threats against both fighters, each of whom had found themselves at the wrong side of public opinion in recent weeks. Boxed In: Ali's Phantom Punch. “The Negro has the fear put in him by your people,” the champ said angrily. This is the phantom punch. Phantom Punch is a full-length motion picture biopic of the controversial life of boxer Sonny Liston (Ving Rhames). The ‘Phantom Punch’, which was the blow that ended the match, was a short, quick, chopping right to the side of Sonny Liston's jaw. Boxed In: Ali's Phantom Punch. At that moment Liston was advancing and so was that punch. I have my own take on WHY Kennedy was assissinated but he was assissinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, it is as simple as that. “But you people run the country and you should go out on the highway and stop anybody coming after me.” Liston’s most telling comment was, “They’re coming to get him, not me, right?”. Looking back on the history of professional boxing, you'd be hard pressed to find a sporting moment more controversial than the one that occurred at Lewiston's Central Maine Youth Center on May 25th, 1965. According to the Guardian, Ali was even heard shouting "Did I hit him?" “He had no choice but to lose. Was it truly a phantom punch you decide . “Men were checked for ‘suspicious bulges,’” were they? Film Television show Game Sport Science Hobby Travel Technology Brand Outer space Cinematography Photography Music Literature Theatre History Transport Visual arts Recreation Politics Religion He told me later he was gonna show that fight was fixed by taking the worst dive of all-time.” If you watch the film of that fight, you’ll see that Sonny did just that. Other episodes of the series were released on VHS in 1995. "The Phantom Punch" is the story of that unique event, when an odd set of circumstances put one of the jewels of the sporting calendar in a small town in Maine. Just one does the job.” Of course, if it was such a devastating punch, you have to wonder why Ali never used it again. I was 19 when this took place. And the wild eyed former cult leader Crazy Charlie is nearing 80 years old and still gets a mention every now and then some 45 years after “Helter Skelter.” I think I saw Elvis working at Burger King. Ali was rumored to be an assassination target by Muslims who wanted to avenge the recent death of Ali’s former close friend, Malcolm X. Twitter pays tribute to Muhammad Ali. Highlighted by bone-crunching … GTC…..He may have, but that is pure speculation. Every May 25th, the world gets to revisit the worst day of Sonny Liston’s life. Then, he took the fighter known as Cassius Clay so lightly that he neglected to train for the bout. After the fight, the 23-year-old Ali called the punch that dropped Liston his secret: "It was a phantom punch." The fight took place decades before the dawn of the camera phone, so the available footage is limited. Keep your minds as open as your eyes. Maine was at the center of one of the biggest boxing scandals of all time. Neither man was a candidate to appear on a box of Wheaties. In May 2015, The Guardian wrote how the alleged "phantom punch" Muhammad Ali delivered to Sonny Liston in 1965 had us "scratching our heads 50 years on." Most people at ringside did not see the punch with which Ali knocked Liston out. IMO, Walcott could’ve gotten up, and like Liston, he just said the hell with it and took the easy way out. "It was lightning and thunder -- fast as lightning and booming as … However even then the fight should have continued because Ali never when to a neutral corner. Sitting in his dressing room prior to his 1965 rematch with Muhammad Ali, the former heavyweight champion of the world must have wondered how everything could have gone so terribly wrong. The finishing blow became known as "the phantom punch," since it almost appeared never to have existed in the first place. Now I see that there is a movie. When was it made known that it was existed? Poor old Joe Walcott completely lost control of the match…. The story of World heavyweight champion boxer Charles L. "Sonny" Liston, who was knocked down 2 minutes into a championship fight by a seemingly harmless right hook from Muhammad Ali. Muhammad was off-balance when he threw it. And so it is that Muhammad Ali, who easily dispatched Sonny Liston in the ring, may never beat him in the arena of popular mythology and public opinion. The ‘Phantom Punch’, which was the blow that ended the match, was a short, quick, chopping right to the side of Sonny Liston's jaw. The punch was called the phantom punch because nobody saw it Many experts agree the Ali punch that knocked out Sonny Liston wasn't a punch that could knock out a former heavyweight boxer. Ali called the blow that led to Liston's defeat a 'phantom punch.' Kind of ironic that Jersey Joe was the ref, many think Joe took a dive in the rematch with Marciano. If we feel comments are offensive, the post will be deleted and continuing offenders will be blocked from the site. The Resnicks were dear friends of Sonny and his wife Geraldine and Joe and Martha Louis. Geraldine goes to the end of her life without saying this. Paul Gallender is the author of Sonny Liston —The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights. Politicians, journalists and the public called for boxing to be banned. ... of eyes is commonly associated with temporary unconsciousness and is one of the first things you look for. Flying Phantom, disambiguation, Phantom II, Phantom Punch, Pittsburgh Phantoms, Furness Phantoms, Lehigh Valley Phantoms, Kansas City Phantoms, Phantomsmasher Did Ali actually land the famous knockout punch on Liston? Other episodes of the series were released on VHS in 1995. And after reading the book, you might come to the same conclusion that I did. Via the Bates Student, November 2. Geraldine first lite into Sonny in his dressing room for throwing the fight according to other sources. In a sport known for its chaos and corruption, not much has ever topped the heavyweight champsionship fight between Charles “Sonny” Liston and Muhammad Ali in Lewiston, Maine, on May 25, 1965. He was being forced to sacrifice his future and his legacy in order to save the lives of his wife and child. Guys who take dives are rarely hit that hard or else it isn’t diving, it’s getting knocked out…. Which, you know, isn't unreasonable. We want some salty language and good-natured exchanges. His run-ins with racism, the mob, and the law, to become the champion of the world! They never saw the knockout blow — … Enter the museum and embrace the phantom punch. Muhammad Ali’s phantom punch has us scratching our heads 50 years on. The film also stars Stacey Dash, Nicholas Turturro, Alan van Sprang, David Proval, and Bridgette Wilson. The only way one can possibly experience the “Phantom Punch” in all its complexity is to attend the Bates Museum of Art. Was it a hard punch or..was the fix in? There are three stories from the Sixties that seem to never be put to rest. Muhammad Ali standing over Sonny Liston after the phantom punch is one of the most iconic images not only in the history of sport, but in the entire history of photography. Sonny definitely caught it with the left side of his face. Report this Content. There has been mountains of conjecture about whether Ali’s right hand actually landed. At that time, the talk was about the lack of any good pictures or movies of the fight. Prior to his morning roadwork, several officers checked the field to make sure no one was waiting to ambush him. Marciano could ...and did put his power shots ....which were measured at 900psi…..on his opponents as often as he could, Jersey Joe took those blows…..not any author who claims Jersey Joe took a dive….......................................nuf said. Rumors of mob threats have been repeated a long time, and the threats are plausible. Richard Williams. Ali showed his fear in response to a reporter’s question about his need for police protection. Lots of fighters opt, correctly, to stay down. Clay needed just two fights to dismantle Liston’s legacy. "Phantom Punch" gloves to be auctioned Sonny Liston tries to regain his feet after being knocked down by Heavyweight Champion Muhammad Ali, unseen, at the Lewiston Arena, Maine, May 25, 1965. Terez Paylor breaks down why he feels this is the best sports conspiracy of all-time. "The Phantom Punch" is the story of that unique event, when an odd set of circumstances put one of the jewels of the sporting calendar in a small town in Maine. In the rematch the following year, Liston was felled by the “phantom punch” after just 104 seconds. Sonny swallowed his immense pride and chose life over death. Liston went down ....but the debate continues why he went down.. Was it from a punch…or was it due to outside influence…or was it just a very poorly staged dive ?? They called it the phantom punch: a mystery jab that brought down the Big Bear. 'It was lightning and thunder - fast as lightning and booming as thunder from the heavens,' Ali said after the fight. The theories weren't unfounded. “Oh my poor Sonny,” said Emile. It’s possible that mobsters knew about the kidnapping or that they co-conspired with the Muslims. This causes Kronos to insert a computer generated purple punch that is called . Henry laid waste to Ali, and Dundee had to cut his gloves just to buy an extra FOUR minutes to get Ali back into the ring conscious. Phantom Power, disambiguation, Phantom Planet, The Phantom of the Operetta, Phantom train, Flying Phantom, Phantom II, Phanto. You be the judge, Liston was an intimidating ex-con whose management included members of organized crime. Phantom Punch chronicles Liston's triumphs and tragedies. 'd Liston in the first round—he is equally concerned with New England characters such as promoters Sam Michael and "Suitcase" Sam Silverman. Enter the museum and embrace the phantom punch. What is a Phantom Punch? they punch back in for a job two. Ali’s punch landed on Liston’s face on the latter point. [Phantom Punch tutorial] Was the name of the video. The black Muslims bled Ali dry,much like Don King and his lying wife bled Tyson. Five FBI agents came to Ali’s hotel and told him they believed there was some truth to the rumors. "Hello there!" Phantom Punch may refer to: . It is called nystagmus." For one Liston was the uncrowned champion from 1959 till 64 Patterson and Johanson where paper champs who all made believe Liston did not exist .Listons only loss at the time to Marty Marshall he fought to the end with a broken jaw a bully would quit .Liston faced hard hitting Clevlend Williams not once but twice and took shots like no heavyweight did no bully would do that Patterson made believe Williams never existed either. PHANTOM PUNCH. The champion had not trained well and a shoulder injury he carried into … Knowing that he must lose this fight, an angry and helpless Sonny Liston decided to do it on his own terms. The important thing is the place it landed on. Nobody knew the extent of their damage until Barrack Insane NyetBama came to town and gave America away. I’m thinking Walcott remembered how hard the first fight was with Marciano, and he just wasn’t going to put himself through that again. I also think it was a very poor acting job from Liston’s side. Just watched the Marciano-Walcott II fight and it is debatable whether Walcott actually beat the count. After his shocking and unexpected loss, many people figured the mob paid him to throw the fight. The 1965 fight took place in Maine and ended when Ali threw what has since been called “the phantom punch.” The gloves were bought by an anonymous bidder … It made sense that the new skill was somehow related to a punch since the vampire martial art mainly focused on using hands. You could fill a cork board with red yarn trying to connect all of the potential conspiracy theory dots. So it hit Sonny square (actually sideways against the jaw) meaning it wasn’t a glancing blow, which would have been the case if he were backing up. The phantom punch. This “phantom punch” left Lewiston with a black eye — a black eye that would have been Boston’s if the fight had been held at the Garden, as originally scheduled. Liston had been arrested multiple times that year, with charges against him ranging from possession of a concealed firearm to driving without a license. While Sneddon's ostensible subject is the phantom punch—a seemingly innocuous blow that K.O. Liston was on the mat. Reactions: Debi. After the fight, the 23-year-old Ali called the punch that dropped Liston his secret: "It was a phantom punch." The phantom punch. “It’s a chop, so fast you can’t see it,” he said. Well, to those saying Walcott took a dive against Marciano in their second fight—the man had an incredible career and took a lot of punishment during it. When Marilyn was unable to contact Geraldine on the day of the fight, she told Martha she was worried. I have always maintained Liston was not hit hard enough to knock out a fly. Its relative isolation and low population makes it one of the last places you’d think of for, say, a major sporting event. 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